Letter from Hattie to Father, November 10, 1869
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Letter from Hattie to Father, November 10, 1869
Subject
Presbyterian Church; Missionaries; Sabbath; Church meetings
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In this letter to her father, Harriet talks about the upcoming unification of the Old and New School Presbyterian churches. She also writes about the incoming influx of missionaries. She concludes by discussing various acquaintances and friends, and recounting her Sabbath activities.
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Noyes, Harriet Newell
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Loose, The College of Wooster, Special Collections, Noyes Collection
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Unpublished
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1869-11-10
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eng (English)
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Presbyterian Church, Old School-New School Controversy, 1835-1870
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[Note: some kind of logo embossed on the upper left]
Canton Nov 10th /69
My dear Father
As this is the day appointed for the
wedding day of the Old and New School Presbyterian
church. I think I must celebrate the event by writing
to you. Our letters came yesterday bringing good news.
From Dr Happer we learn that the McChesneys'
+ Marcellus' are going to wait a month and come
with him. A lady from Pittsburg a Miss Shaw
who was out in the service of US Christian Commission
two years at Nashville, has applied to be sent out also.
Her friends will provide against difficulty with regard
to funds by raising enough to pay her passage + a years
salary. The Board had not yet decided whether to
send her or not when Dr Happer wrote but I imagine
they will decide affirmatively + if as Dr Happer says
Mr Condit + family came at the same time only think of
it counting the children there will be [u]sixteen[/u] all
coming at once. I dont know how it will seem I think
it will be very "jolly" as the English say. I remember
when six missionaries stopped here for a week last year
on their way to Siam it seemed like quite a large
party, an "inundation of American missionaries" as some one
said. And now I must tell you about our having a
visit from the New York Observer in the shape of good
Dr E D [?G?] Prime or as the paper hath it "Ensebins" the
brother of "Ireneans" and two years his junior. I think
I mentioned in my last that we were expecting to see them (Dr +
Mrs Prime) in Canton soon. We did not expect them quite
so soon however + were away at Macao. When we heard of their
arrival we feared we should miss of seeing them entirely
but they staid a few days after we returned and came
over and spent the last two days with us If we had
been here when they came very likely they would have
stayed with us so we thought ourselves very unfortunate in
being away just then. Still we had a good visit from
them but it would have been nice if it could have
been longer. Dr Prime is a [u]very[/u] nice man + if possible
more than fills my idea of the Editor of the NY Observer.
I dont know but he seems as nice and good as Dr Lowrie
and I am sure I never expect to meet any one any
better than he is. [u]Dr Lowrie, Mr Loomis,[/u] and Dr [u]Prime[/u].
I would not have missed of becoming acquainted with
them for a great deal. I feel best acquainted with
Mr Loomis as Henry + I correspond with him and
San Francisco seems quite like a neighboring city.
Dr Prime makes me think a little of you sometimes.
Mrs Prime is the daughter of Dr Wm Goodell. She is
Dr Prime's second wife and fifteen years younger he is 55
I could easily think her 30 years younger although
many think she [u]looks[/u] as old as she is. She seemed
more like his daughter than his wife + I could'nt help
feeling that it was a piece of presumption for her to marry
Dr Prime. She certainly suffers by comparison with him,
but then to be sure most people would She made me
think some of Mell Russell only more affected and I dont
imagine has as good a mind as Mell. I would like to
hear something of the Russell family are they still
in Cleveland. Mr Preston said that Mrs Prime
was half way between Mrs Folsom + Mrs French
+ I really dont think that would be [u]quite[/u] the "golden
mean." If you ever hear anything of the Folsoms
I hope you will let us know as we do not hear directly
from them. I feel sorry for them + yet we cannot
feel as we should if their course here had been different.
[--We are looking forward with much interest to the
arrival of our new missionaries. We learn by this
mail that they will all come together in the Jan
steamer unless Mr Condit + family should wait
a month longer. Dr Happer writes that a lady
from Pittsburg a Miss Shaw has applied to come
out with them but her application had not yet
been considered by the Board at the time he wrote.
Her friends had offered to obviate any difficulty in
the way of friends by paying her passage + salary
the first year so that I imagine they will decide
to send her. I feel as if I can hardly wait
two months longer to see them all. Miss Shaw
was out for two years in the service of USCC--] I wrote
the first of this letter a few days ago and was rather
annoyed when I turned over to the first page just
now to find that I am writing the same thing over
again rather an unnecessary performance. I think
it must be because my head is so full of the subject
that it will keep coming out. We are going next
Monday day after tomorrow with Mr Piercy + Miss
Radcliffe of the English Wesleyan Mission for a
trip of two or three weeks up the river. It is very
pleasant weather now and I am sure we shall
have a nice trip.
It is Sabbath evening but I will add a line to-night I
shall be so busy in the morning. Our Sabbath evening
meetings have been changed lately + now instead of
meeting in two divisions, they all meet here, in our
house. Our parlor is considerable larger than the
one at [u]home[/u] but it was more than full to-night
between 30 + 40 present. It seems so nice to have
such large meetings. Last Sabbath Dr Prime
preached for us from the text "Do this in remembrance
of me" a nice sermon. To-night Mrs Williams
from Peking was at meeting. She is the wife of
Dr Williams another of The Middle Kingdom, + seems
like a [u]very[/u] nice person. When we come back
from the country I hope we shall see more
of her as she expects to stay here some weeks.
Bishop Kingsley of the Methodist Church sent
out by the Conference (American) to visit their
mission in China is coming here soon. I am
afraid he will come while we are away in the
country + so we shall miss of seeing him.
It seems sad that Mr McDowell is so afflicted I hope
you will not forget to write to us. Give them our warmest
sympathy + tell them I think of them very often +
hope to hear better news from them. And now good-night
With much love for Mother + tell the rest from Your aff daughter Hattie.
[注：左上角浮雕某种标志]
广州 11 月 10 日 /69
我亲爱的父亲
因为这是指定的日子
新旧学派长老会大婚之日
教会。我想我必须通过写作来庆祝这一事件
给你。昨天我们的来信带来了好消息。
从 Happer 博士那里，我们了解到 McChesneys 的
+ Marcellus'要等一个月才来
和他一起。匹兹堡小姐肖小姐
谁在为美国基督教委员会服务
在纳什维尔待了两年，也申请送出去了。
她的朋友们会在这方面遇到困难
通过筹集足够的资金来支付她的旅费+一年
薪水。董事会尚未决定是否
哈珀博士写信的时候送她还是不送她，但我想
他们会做出肯定的决定 + 如果正如 Happer 博士所说
康迪特先生+家人同时来了才想到
算上孩子，将有 [u]16[/u] 所有
一下子来了。我不知道我会怎么想
正如英国人所说，这将非常“欢乐”。我记得
去年六位传教士在这里停留一周时
在他们去暹罗的路上，这似乎是一个很大的
派对，“美国传教士的泛滥”
说。现在我必须告诉你我们有一个
来自纽约观察家的访问以良好的形式
E D Prime 博士或如报纸所说的“Ensebins”
“Ireneans”的兄弟，比他小两岁。我认为
我在上一篇文章中提到我们期待看到他们（Dr +
“总理”夫人）很快就到广州了。我们没想到他们
然而，很快+就离开了澳门。当我们听说他们
到达我们担心我们会错过完全看到它们
但他们在我们回来后住了几天
过去两天和我们一起度过如果我们有
他们来的时候来过这里很可能他们会
和我们在一起，所以我们认为自己很不幸
就在那时离开。我们仍然有一个很好的访问
他们，但如果可以的话，那就太好了
已经更长了。 Prime博士是一个非常好的人+如果可能的话
不仅满足了我对《纽约观察家》编辑的想法。
我不知道，但他看起来和劳瑞博士一样好
我敢肯定我从没想过会遇到任何人
比他好。 Lowrie 博士、Loomis 先生和 Prime 博士。
我不会错过熟悉的
他们花了很多钱。我觉得最熟悉
卢米斯先生 饰演 Henry + 我与他通信
旧金山看起来很像一个邻近的城市。
Prime博士有时让我有点想你。
Prime 夫人是 Wm Goodell 博士的女儿。她是
Prime 博士的第二任妻子，比他小 15 岁，他 55 岁
我可以很容易地认为她年轻了 30 岁，尽管
许多人认为她看起来和她一样老。她似乎
更像他的女儿而不是他的妻子+我忍不住
觉得她结婚是一种假设
总理博士。与他相比，她当然受苦，
但为了确保大多数人会她让我
认为Mell Russell的一些影响更大，而我没有
想象有和梅尔一样好的头脑。我想
听到罗素家族的消息，他们还在吗？
在克利夫兰。普雷斯顿先生说总理夫人
在福尔松夫人 + 法国夫人之间
+ 我真的不认为那会是“黄金”
意思是。”如果你听说过福尔瑟姆一家
我希望你能告诉我们，因为我们没有直接听到
从他们。我为他们感到难过+但我们不能
如果他们在这里的课程有所不同，我们应该感到。
[--我们怀着极大的兴趣期待着
我们新传教士的到来。我们由此学习
邮件说他们将在 1 月聚在一起
除非康迪特先生和家人等待
多一个月。哈珀博士写道，一位女士
来自匹兹堡的肖小姐申请来
和他们一起出去，但她的申请还没有
在他写信的时候，董事会已经考虑过了。
她的朋友们提出要排除任何困难
通过支付她的路费+薪水的朋友之道
第一年，我想他们会决定
送她。我觉得我快要等不及了
再过两个月才能见到他们。肖小姐
在 USCC 服务了两年——] 我写道
几天前这封信的第一封
刚翻到第一页就生气了
现在发现我正在写同样的东西
又是一种不必要的表现。我认为
一定是因为我脑子里全是这个话题
它会不断出现。我们接下来去
后天星期一与皮尔西先生+小姐
英国卫斯理传道会的拉德克利夫
两三个星期的河流之旅。这个很
现在天气宜人，我相信我们会的
旅行愉快。
今天是安息日晚上，但我今晚要加一句我
早上会很忙。我们的安息日晚上
最近和现在更改了会议，而不是
在两个部门会面，他们都在这里，在我们的
屋。我们的客厅比
一个在家里，但今晚已经满了
30 + 40 之间当下。 拥有它似乎真好
这么大的会议。 最后一个安息日 Dr Prime
从文本中为我们讲道“这样做是为了纪念
我的”一个很好的布道。今晚威廉姆斯夫人
来自北京的人正在开会。 她是的妻子
另一个中间王国的威廉姆斯博士，+ 似乎
像一个非常好的人。 当我们回来
来自这个国家，我希望我们能看到更多
因为她希望在这里待几个星期。
卫理公会金斯利主教派出
由会议（美国）出去访问他们的
在中国的使命即将来到这里。 我是
怕我们不在的时候他会来
国家+所以我们会想念他。
我希望麦克道威尔先生如此痛苦，这似乎很可悲
你不会忘记给我们写信的。 给他们我们最温暖的
同情 + 告诉他们我经常想起他们 +
希望能从他们那里听到更好的消息。 现在晚安
怀着对母亲的爱+告诉你的女儿海蒂剩下的。
Canton Nov 10th /69
My dear Father
As this is the day appointed for the
wedding day of the Old and New School Presbyterian
church. I think I must celebrate the event by writing
to you. Our letters came yesterday bringing good news.
From Dr Happer we learn that the McChesneys'
+ Marcellus' are going to wait a month and come
with him. A lady from Pittsburg a Miss Shaw
who was out in the service of US Christian Commission
two years at Nashville, has applied to be sent out also.
Her friends will provide against difficulty with regard
to funds by raising enough to pay her passage + a years
salary. The Board had not yet decided whether to
send her or not when Dr Happer wrote but I imagine
they will decide affirmatively + if as Dr Happer says
Mr Condit + family came at the same time only think of
it counting the children there will be [u]sixteen[/u] all
coming at once. I dont know how it will seem I think
it will be very "jolly" as the English say. I remember
when six missionaries stopped here for a week last year
on their way to Siam it seemed like quite a large
party, an "inundation of American missionaries" as some one
said. And now I must tell you about our having a
visit from the New York Observer in the shape of good
Dr E D [?G?] Prime or as the paper hath it "Ensebins" the
brother of "Ireneans" and two years his junior. I think
I mentioned in my last that we were expecting to see them (Dr +
Mrs Prime) in Canton soon. We did not expect them quite
so soon however + were away at Macao. When we heard of their
arrival we feared we should miss of seeing them entirely
but they staid a few days after we returned and came
over and spent the last two days with us If we had
been here when they came very likely they would have
stayed with us so we thought ourselves very unfortunate in
being away just then. Still we had a good visit from
them but it would have been nice if it could have
been longer. Dr Prime is a [u]very[/u] nice man + if possible
more than fills my idea of the Editor of the NY Observer.
I dont know but he seems as nice and good as Dr Lowrie
and I am sure I never expect to meet any one any
better than he is. [u]Dr Lowrie, Mr Loomis,[/u] and Dr [u]Prime[/u].
I would not have missed of becoming acquainted with
them for a great deal. I feel best acquainted with
Mr Loomis as Henry + I correspond with him and
San Francisco seems quite like a neighboring city.
Dr Prime makes me think a little of you sometimes.
Mrs Prime is the daughter of Dr Wm Goodell. She is
Dr Prime's second wife and fifteen years younger he is 55
I could easily think her 30 years younger although
many think she [u]looks[/u] as old as she is. She seemed
more like his daughter than his wife + I could'nt help
feeling that it was a piece of presumption for her to marry
Dr Prime. She certainly suffers by comparison with him,
but then to be sure most people would She made me
think some of Mell Russell only more affected and I dont
imagine has as good a mind as Mell. I would like to
hear something of the Russell family are they still
in Cleveland. Mr Preston said that Mrs Prime
was half way between Mrs Folsom + Mrs French
+ I really dont think that would be [u]quite[/u] the "golden
mean." If you ever hear anything of the Folsoms
I hope you will let us know as we do not hear directly
from them. I feel sorry for them + yet we cannot
feel as we should if their course here had been different.
[--We are looking forward with much interest to the
arrival of our new missionaries. We learn by this
mail that they will all come together in the Jan
steamer unless Mr Condit + family should wait
a month longer. Dr Happer writes that a lady
from Pittsburg a Miss Shaw has applied to come
out with them but her application had not yet
been considered by the Board at the time he wrote.
Her friends had offered to obviate any difficulty in
the way of friends by paying her passage + salary
the first year so that I imagine they will decide
to send her. I feel as if I can hardly wait
two months longer to see them all. Miss Shaw
was out for two years in the service of USCC--] I wrote
the first of this letter a few days ago and was rather
annoyed when I turned over to the first page just
now to find that I am writing the same thing over
again rather an unnecessary performance. I think
it must be because my head is so full of the subject
that it will keep coming out. We are going next
Monday day after tomorrow with Mr Piercy + Miss
Radcliffe of the English Wesleyan Mission for a
trip of two or three weeks up the river. It is very
pleasant weather now and I am sure we shall
have a nice trip.
It is Sabbath evening but I will add a line to-night I
shall be so busy in the morning. Our Sabbath evening
meetings have been changed lately + now instead of
meeting in two divisions, they all meet here, in our
house. Our parlor is considerable larger than the
one at [u]home[/u] but it was more than full to-night
between 30 + 40 present. It seems so nice to have
such large meetings. Last Sabbath Dr Prime
preached for us from the text "Do this in remembrance
of me" a nice sermon. To-night Mrs Williams
from Peking was at meeting. She is the wife of
Dr Williams another of The Middle Kingdom, + seems
like a [u]very[/u] nice person. When we come back
from the country I hope we shall see more
of her as she expects to stay here some weeks.
Bishop Kingsley of the Methodist Church sent
out by the Conference (American) to visit their
mission in China is coming here soon. I am
afraid he will come while we are away in the
country + so we shall miss of seeing him.
It seems sad that Mr McDowell is so afflicted I hope
you will not forget to write to us. Give them our warmest
sympathy + tell them I think of them very often +
hope to hear better news from them. And now good-night
With much love for Mother + tell the rest from Your aff daughter Hattie.
[注：左上角浮雕某种标志]
广州 11 月 10 日 /69
我亲爱的父亲
因为这是指定的日子
新旧学派长老会大婚之日
教会。我想我必须通过写作来庆祝这一事件
给你。昨天我们的来信带来了好消息。
从 Happer 博士那里，我们了解到 McChesneys 的
+ Marcellus'要等一个月才来
和他一起。匹兹堡小姐肖小姐
谁在为美国基督教委员会服务
在纳什维尔待了两年，也申请送出去了。
她的朋友们会在这方面遇到困难
通过筹集足够的资金来支付她的旅费+一年
薪水。董事会尚未决定是否
哈珀博士写信的时候送她还是不送她，但我想
他们会做出肯定的决定 + 如果正如 Happer 博士所说
康迪特先生+家人同时来了才想到
算上孩子，将有 [u]16[/u] 所有
一下子来了。我不知道我会怎么想
正如英国人所说，这将非常“欢乐”。我记得
去年六位传教士在这里停留一周时
在他们去暹罗的路上，这似乎是一个很大的
派对，“美国传教士的泛滥”
说。现在我必须告诉你我们有一个
来自纽约观察家的访问以良好的形式
E D Prime 博士或如报纸所说的“Ensebins”
“Ireneans”的兄弟，比他小两岁。我认为
我在上一篇文章中提到我们期待看到他们（Dr +
“总理”夫人）很快就到广州了。我们没想到他们
然而，很快+就离开了澳门。当我们听说他们
到达我们担心我们会错过完全看到它们
但他们在我们回来后住了几天
过去两天和我们一起度过如果我们有
他们来的时候来过这里很可能他们会
和我们在一起，所以我们认为自己很不幸
就在那时离开。我们仍然有一个很好的访问
他们，但如果可以的话，那就太好了
已经更长了。 Prime博士是一个非常好的人+如果可能的话
不仅满足了我对《纽约观察家》编辑的想法。
我不知道，但他看起来和劳瑞博士一样好
我敢肯定我从没想过会遇到任何人
比他好。 Lowrie 博士、Loomis 先生和 Prime 博士。
我不会错过熟悉的
他们花了很多钱。我觉得最熟悉
卢米斯先生 饰演 Henry + 我与他通信
旧金山看起来很像一个邻近的城市。
Prime博士有时让我有点想你。
Prime 夫人是 Wm Goodell 博士的女儿。她是
Prime 博士的第二任妻子，比他小 15 岁，他 55 岁
我可以很容易地认为她年轻了 30 岁，尽管
许多人认为她看起来和她一样老。她似乎
更像他的女儿而不是他的妻子+我忍不住
觉得她结婚是一种假设
总理博士。与他相比，她当然受苦，
但为了确保大多数人会她让我
认为Mell Russell的一些影响更大，而我没有
想象有和梅尔一样好的头脑。我想
听到罗素家族的消息，他们还在吗？
在克利夫兰。普雷斯顿先生说总理夫人
在福尔松夫人 + 法国夫人之间
+ 我真的不认为那会是“黄金”
意思是。”如果你听说过福尔瑟姆一家
我希望你能告诉我们，因为我们没有直接听到
从他们。我为他们感到难过+但我们不能
如果他们在这里的课程有所不同，我们应该感到。
[--我们怀着极大的兴趣期待着
我们新传教士的到来。我们由此学习
邮件说他们将在 1 月聚在一起
除非康迪特先生和家人等待
多一个月。哈珀博士写道，一位女士
来自匹兹堡的肖小姐申请来
和他们一起出去，但她的申请还没有
在他写信的时候，董事会已经考虑过了。
她的朋友们提出要排除任何困难
通过支付她的路费+薪水的朋友之道
第一年，我想他们会决定
送她。我觉得我快要等不及了
再过两个月才能见到他们。肖小姐
在 USCC 服务了两年——] 我写道
几天前这封信的第一封
刚翻到第一页就生气了
现在发现我正在写同样的东西
又是一种不必要的表现。我认为
一定是因为我脑子里全是这个话题
它会不断出现。我们接下来去
后天星期一与皮尔西先生+小姐
英国卫斯理传道会的拉德克利夫
两三个星期的河流之旅。这个很
现在天气宜人，我相信我们会的
旅行愉快。
今天是安息日晚上，但我今晚要加一句我
早上会很忙。我们的安息日晚上
最近和现在更改了会议，而不是
在两个部门会面，他们都在这里，在我们的
屋。我们的客厅比
一个在家里，但今晚已经满了
30 + 40 之间当下。 拥有它似乎真好
这么大的会议。 最后一个安息日 Dr Prime
从文本中为我们讲道“这样做是为了纪念
我的”一个很好的布道。今晚威廉姆斯夫人
来自北京的人正在开会。 她是的妻子
另一个中间王国的威廉姆斯博士，+ 似乎
像一个非常好的人。 当我们回来
来自这个国家，我希望我们能看到更多
因为她希望在这里待几个星期。
卫理公会金斯利主教派出
由会议（美国）出去访问他们的
在中国的使命即将来到这里。 我是
怕我们不在的时候他会来
国家+所以我们会想念他。
我希望麦克道威尔先生如此痛苦，这似乎很可悲
你不会忘记给我们写信的。 给他们我们最温暖的
同情 + 告诉他们我经常想起他们 +
希望能从他们那里听到更好的消息。 现在晚安
怀着对母亲的爱+告诉你的女儿海蒂剩下的。
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Noyes, Harriet Newell, “Letter from Hattie to Father, November 10, 1869,” Letters from Harriet Noyes: Missionaries and Women's Education in Nineteenth Century China, accessed April 20, 2024, https://noyesletters.org/items/show/1049.